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Awful Dan Cloutier Rumors
Jennifer Good, who's Official Canuck Blogger status is in question during the current losing streak, ain't going to be too happy about this Canucks rumor. For the past week or so we've been getting a slow and now steady trickle of visitors coming here searching for some awful news about injured Vancouver Canuck goalie Dan Cloutier. There isn't much but rumors so far, but there is a posting on Craiglists today suggesting that Cloutier was in very bad car accident back in November, that resulted in two deaths. Here's the rumor:
"Cloutier is not injured. He is being investigated for drinking and driving accident where he ran a road block in his Porsche Cayanne then later got in a bad accident where he hit a car with 3 people in it. 2 died instantly and 1 is still in critical condition. Supposed to immerge in the news within a week or so."
And we've had a few comments in some posts here on the Vancouverite that have said much the same including this one from today:
I heard that Dan Cloutier was involved in an auto accident causing the death of 2 people (hit and run), one of whom was a friend of mine. When I heard this rumour (that is all this is at this point) I was shocked as it was my friend Stanley Wong who was mowed down by a Porsche Cayenne outside the Aqua night club. The papers said it was a hit and run. I have heard no updates to this point. I heard this from a so called Canuck insider who did not know I knew the victim, but it all makes sense given the time of the his injury, car involved, and apparent cover up
So, what's the deal with this and when is the mainstream media going to get on the case? Let's see if the Canucks have anything to say.
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The only thing that "broke" in the Vancouver Canucks newsgroup was the common sense of the people who have kept the ridiculous story going.
I'm not a Canuck fan by any means at all (in fact, I'm an Avs fan) but even so, what an awful story to spin about ANYONE! Cloutier's a great goaltender and most likely a great person. I highly doubt that he was involved in any such incident and even if he was, I don't think he would ask the Canucks organization to lie about an injury to cover up actions he would have to be responsible for. Furthermore, I know he has a history with his knee, but didn't he get this current injury in a game? If the 'Nucks were covering up this incident, there would have had to be some serious preplanning. The game, or at least part of it, would have had to be staged! That would damage not only the integrity of the Canucks organization, but also the integrity of the entire league! Who would do that?!?!?!
I dont think there is any way that he it a car killing 2 people, he cant hit anything, it goes right over his glove. the whole story is BS.
I knew of thius the day after. i hpoe he goes to jail.
This story is true. Threr are two other Canuck players who were in the vehicle. They're trying to figure out who was driving, they were so drunk. I see players all around town with Booze and hookers. It's about time they set an exam ple and take leadership. It's unfortunate it has to be this examaple
If it's true, then is the report about the police statement released last week false?
Chris, it's crap. Once and for all, let's stop perpetuating this stupid asinine rumour. See page A11 of today's Province - direct quote from the Vancouver Police Department - "Investigators will confirm that NO MEMBERS OF THE VANCOUVER CANUCKS' HOCKEY TEAM OR THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS (emphasis mine) have been involved in this accident and/or investigation in any capacity."
Period.
End of story.
This rumor is so obviously false. Think about it. Can the media cover up a murder? Would the media cover up any crime, no matter how serious, if it involved a rich athelete? Was Dany Heatley able to prevent anyone reporting on his horrible incident? Was Kobe Bryant able to stop any media coverage of his scandal? How could it be remotely possible for Dan Cloutier to cover up even a whisper of a rumor about vehicular homicide, especially when it involves impaired driving? Cripes...even if Cloutier was just pulled over and charged with impaired driving this would have made news all over North America.
Common sense people. This incident was supposed to have happened last November. I'm sure if Cloutier was involved with anything newsworthy back then it would have made the news....back then.
Give the guy a break and let him concentrate on returning to the game.
You may want to pay close attention to the news tomorrow as it is expected that charges are to be laid in this investigation, and it appears the rumors will be substantiated at tha time
Cloutier has trouble seeing the puck from 100 feet or so away when sober in the playoffs...i imagine he'd has more difficulty seeing a car at night from 10 feet away when blind drunk. I think in the salary cap world, the canucks can try to cover up this story and put him on the IR so his impending trial and imprisonment don't count against the cap!
BC weed got you all paranoid? Have some respect for your team! Here's a rumour I heard: Canucks are a one-line team that can't get past the first round!
The rumors will be no more today. Watch the news. I have this on very good authority.
Here's the actual news report:
Hit-and-run driver sought
Last updated Nov 14 2005 01:39 PM PST
CBC News
Vancouver police say the luxury Porsche SUV involved in a fatal hit and run in downtown Vancouver early Friday morning had dodged a drinking-driving roadblock just moments earlier.
The Porsche Cayenne hit three men at high speed, just as they were getting out of a cab in the 1000-block of West Hastings.
Two of the men were thrown half a block by the impact. One of them died in hospital and the second is in serious condition.
The third man suffered minor injuries to his hand and leg.
Police say the Porsche driver went around the block after hitting the men, and abandoned the vehicle at Bute and Cordova.
Police spokesperson Const.Howard Chow says the vehicle was not stolen, and that investigators have spoken to the SUV's owner.
"We are following a number of active leads as to who the driver was on that fateful night. These leads are going to be followed up by our investigators to find out who in fact was driving that car. The registered owner has been spoken to."
I hope this rumour is false because if it is true it will make me hate Vancouver more than I already do.
DID ANY ONE READ THAT BRYAN CHIU FROM THE ALOUETTES HAD TO ATTEND HIS BEST FRIENDS FUNERAL 2DAYS BEFORE THE GREY CUP.HE WAS 1 OF2 THAT WAS KILLED BY A DRUNK DRIVER ON NOV 11.IT SURE IS FISHIE THAT NOTHING MORE HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THESE DEATHS.I SMELL COVER UP
I also went to school (Vancouver College) with Bryan Chiu and JP Larkin, who was killed in this. Bryan was coming to give him a signed get-well jersey from the Alouettes while JP was still in hospital, but he died before Bryan got to see him. Yes, he was at the funeral the Friday before the Grey Cup as they were real close. Very fishy about no new info indeed...
just seems strange if they know who's the owner of the vehicle how come they havent figured out yet who was driving it has been 2 months.Two people did die and how come the media is not talking about this.If it was a regular Joe he or she would have been smeared all over the papers and news by now.I would hope the familys of the poor people who died would have some closure by now
Yeah my take on this story is it smells like the 'Mighty Fraser', since when ever something happens, the news media is at the Owners house shoving a camera in their face asking them who was driving or who lived in the grow-op house. Not very often do you see a complete sweep under the rug.
I can totally see a cover up if it was a Canuck. Do you realize what that would do to them and Vancouver - The Canucks reputation would be tarnished especially when everyone says how nice they are. Also I say 'they' because that's just how vancouver is all of the canucks would get a bad name not only one. Anyhow all I know is the person who was driving had a hell of a lot to lose that night and that's why running the roadblock and speeding like a maniac and not even knowing or caring what he would hit and just needing to get to his underground fast and up to his highrise quickly...
I just received word that my friends fathers partner who are both lawyers and who will remain nameless will be representing Mr. Cloutier regarding this matter.
I just received word that my friends fathers partner who are both lawyers and who will remain nameless will be penetrating Mark up his anal opening.
I always thought there was somthing about them lawyers, that's it they're bum bandits. Thanks for the tip Missy
A family member of mine works for the NHL in their rules enforcement committee, and I had dinner with their spouse this past weekend. The NHL has apparently had several meetings with their staff to review a 'serious situation' regarding Dan Cloutier, and have been instructed not to comment publicly. There's no way that the NHL has high sensitivity meetings to review an inexplicable knee injury. There is some major situation that has yet to be disclosed. Cloutier has also not been seen or interviewed since the alleged injury, which otherwise would be normal during a star athlete's injury time.
If the authorities are proceeding with this much caution in pursiut of legal recourse allows me to ponder that there may be something to the rumors. If it was an average jagoff like the rest of us I am sure that a charge would have been rendered. The police admit that they have spoken to the owner of the vehicle, with no charge? I don't think so!
are we not all innocent until proven guilty? I think we as proud Vancouver-ites ought to defend our goalie, after all ... does'nt his jersey represent our city? We love them when they win, let's start supporting them if they lose.
sorry dont buy that one 2 people died no one is above the law even if you have lots of money.
I'm with anonymous at 8:48am, two people died of which I knew one and he was an honest hardworking guy so whoever did this needs to be held responsible (canuck or no canuck). And yes innocent until proven guilty so that's why someone needs to be charged soon and put in jail soon but oh shit I forgot we live in Vancouver land of the you don't go to jail for any crime you commit
just heard that ICBC has the Porsche that ran over and killed two guys. They have found blood belonging to Dan Cloutier in the car. Charges are likely to be forthcoming.
This is a crazy story. I've read alot of posts on this now and it seems like it might have some legs. The silence from Cloutier is deafening. Not to say he should come out and deny the rumour but where the hell is this guy? Where are the usual rehab interviews and sound-bites? Doesn't Cloutier have an opinion on Auld's play?
Also, to those wondering about why it's taking so long for the VPD to bring charges/release info, that's pretty much s.o.p. for them. Someone I know very well recently crashed his car while under the influence and killed a passenger. Without getting into details, this seems like it would be an open and shut case (negligence) and yet over a month later i believe he hasn't even been contacted by the police and still has his license. I don't know what it takes to build a case but apparently the bar is pretty high.
BTW my condolences to those of you who knew the victims in this accident. I sincerely hope that our justice system gets it right and the guilty are sentenced. There's far too many sad stories like this in BC.
get your heads out of the sand. how many police officers attended the scene of the accident? how many have families or friends. If they knew if a canuck was involved do you think they would all go home and say nothing to their friends and family about it? why would the vpd release a statement saying that no canuck or family member blah blah blah was involved. Why would they care to cover up if it was a canuck? do the canucks have the cops in their pocket? not quite. ... if you believe the rumour, then i heard one that the titanic was actually torpedoed by an american ship to get control of the east coast shipping lanes.... whatever.
I just Googled "Dan Cloutier" +accident and this site came up first in my results. The reason I did the search? A friend of mine was chatting up a Vancouver RCMP friend recently and the constable told my friend this rumour. THe other part of the rumour is that Jovanovski was a passenger in the Porsche that Cloutier was driving. I know that sounds a little wild and who knows if the RCMP guy is just part of the same rumour mill we all are, but I'm passing on the tidbit in case anyone finds it curious.
whether true or not, all the comments above are pure speculation. if it's true then mr. cloutier should be punished accordingly, until then, don't get your panties in a bunch as the theory at this point holds about as much water as david duchovny being the second shooter on the grassy knoll...
just because some idiot says their idiot friend had dinner with some idiot who knows a cop doesn't mean any of those idiots know what they're talking about.
to those that knew the victims, I'm sorry for your loss, may they rest in peace.
oh, and if it turns out to be true, I apologize to the idiots who posted about their idiot friends knowing some idiot cop who now all think they're something special because they fluked on to a bit of info before the idiot media.
Man, IQ's have obviously dropped sharply on the west coast since I moved back east.
Lets think about something here.. would ICBC have the vehical involved? NO. It would be inpounded in a police "licenced" impound yard as evidence, not released to a state run insurance company.
Would tonnes of cops involved in the case be able to keep it quiet? I've met bc cops, they're not exactly bright, we're not talking CSI Miami here. They'd have leaked this by dawn on the 12th.
RCMP officers speculating on who was in the car. If it's a cover up by the vancouver police, how the heck would the RCMP "peeons" know? Two diffent agencies that don't share info even when it's in their best interest, all of a sudden share it for a mass cover up?
Also, I don't know many millionares that drive cheap porche suv's. Those are grocery getters for middle class pretenders. Does anyone know if he even owns one? Bet none of you "in the know" from your friends have even stopped to think what an NHL goalie would be doing in a low end SUV.
a porsche cayenne is not a low end SUV.. it is one of the priciest SUV's u can buy idiot
Guilty or not, this is reason enough for the Canucks to finally cut the mule loose. We need to stop talking about him and start focusing on who we are going to get for a goalie (love ya Auldy, but not sure if you are going to take us to the big show). Bottom line is Dan hasn't shown that he has the goods to be a cup contending goaltender. The Canucks need a tender that has a better GAA then their Death Count.
It is very suspicious that Cloutier hasn't been seen or heard in a long time in the Vancouver media! This in itself doesn't mean he is guilty but between that and the season ending injury being diagnosed a week after it actually happened leads me to suspect that something is up here.
If these rumors are true, why isn't anyone considering how Cloutier is, or that his life is basically over? I definitely agree that people must be accountable for their actions; however, I don't wish the worst for them simply because they made a wrong decision. Consider how his family feels, how he feels, how we would feel as a city.
By now means am I trying to take the focus away from the fact that two great people died and one is still injured, but imagine if something like this happened to you. Speculation or not, one must think hypothetically and more importantly, critically with some compassion or sadness.
The minute this happened, his life would never again be the same. (The same goes for all those affected directly/indirectly by this incident.) I'm just sad, that's all.
what i want to know if what is considered a 'high end' suv??
Probably like a Toyota or something.
This is seriously fucked up.. please tell me this shit isnt true.. i just heard from my buddys dad that bertuzzi and ed jov were in the vehicle also.. and one of their buddys a well known drug dealer in van was with them.. he many of been the one driving
Does any one notice how the story keeps getting bigger and bigger? Don't believe everything you hear until you get some solid facts. A friend of mine was a passenger in a serious crash where the driver's girlfriend was killed. Soon after there were awful rumors that the driver shot himself, jumped off a bridge etc. that were anything but true. These rumours were painful for the people involved and their families. These people were not famous and people somehow made crazy stories about it. Imagine what people will make up when famous people are involved. Was the Pope in the car too? My point is, don't believe everything you hear until you see solid facts.
Does any one notice how the story keeps getting bigger and bigger? Don't believe everything you hear until you get some solid facts. A friend of mine was a passenger in a serious crash where the driver's girlfriend was killed. Soon after there were awful rumors that the driver shot himself, jumped off a bridge etc. that were anything but true. These rumours were painful for the people involved and their families. These people were not famous and people somehow made crazy stories about it. Imagine what people will make up when famous people are involved. Was the Pope in the car too? My point is, don't believe everything you hear until you see solid facts.
keep adding people keep adding shit, yeah jovo was in their bert was in there the twins and carter were also involved, but u couldn't see carter because it was too damn dark. wake up ppl it's all bs!!!!!!!!!!!
The media can't keep a secret if their life depended on it. This would b the hottest story to get your hands on don't u think they would totally rape it.
i've recently heard this rumour via a friend who is in tight with someone that was a huge part of the Canucks inside last year...the rumour is true....you'll see...
Innocent until proven guilty.
Why have we not heard about who was actually involved in this hit and run?
As for the rumors involving the Canucks,
I lived in Yaletown for a year and many times after games I saw Canucks on the town. They are young and have too much money. There is a false sense of invincibilty that comes with that. Heatley comes to mind. The fishy aspect of all this is where is the follow up to the real driver of this hit and run? It doesn't usually take this long for the police to release the name of the accused. It would be good to see Dan in the press box or do an interview as other posts have mentioned. It doesn't help him in dispelling this rumor by being out of sight.
Money has kept many high profile people from the full force of the law in the past, why would anyone think it wouldn't now.
For all the victims and their families I hope that they can find closure to all this and that justice will be served to those involved in this terrible incident.
you said it heatley does come to mind....and was that not released internationally right away?!? come on people he said she said the freakin' duck said.......why don't we all just wait and see instead of creating the never ending story. it is unfortunate that people's lives were lost and it is still unsolved but again innocent until proven guilty. By the way if you read the paper at all, after his knee injury but before the surgery cloutier did say he was buying a new car, and he has been interviewed by the media since his surgery, but only briefly! And if cloutier had a lawyer representing him in this matter, confidentialty is a huge factor and his lawyer could not speak of it, same goes for the cops - ongoing investigations dont release names or potential suspects names.....haven't you ever read a paper or listened to the news, they don't release names to us so what makes you think that the cop who is your sisters girlfriends brothers mother is going to tell you that cloutier did it?
Relax.. nothing in the news so far saying that Cloutier did do it. Time will tell and yes names of people who murder people with their cars are realeased and some are even deported with the family crying at the airport. Do you watch the news or read?
One simple question. Who was in that car?
Spulling doesn't coont.
to mr. X:
I wasn't implying that the names aren't released at all I was saying that they aren't going to release the name(s) unless charges are laid or pending. And where is cloutier going to be deported to....i guess i don't read cause i didnt realize that quebec is now another country....
relax anonymous just relax, because u ain't got shit on clouts. u r just another wagon jumper and I think you'll b needing the knee surgery soon.
I don't know what to believe, if the story is false why haven't the canucks come out and say this rumour is completly false. Cloutier has been like a ghost which leaves me wondering what is going on???
To throw more into the mix:
Many people have asked why there isn't more coverage on this rumour/story/fiction/truth. An interesting question. I think as much of the rumour has been leaked because of the sensational circumstances surrounding the tragic event, but given the circumstances, those involved would be under pretty strict confidentiality clauses. At least, i would imagine so, I don't really know for sure. Certainly the lawyers involved would be, and by proxy I would guess that the investigating officers would be bound by the same sort of rules. And why would the cops say anything anyway? They don't reveal information until the time is right, ever. The fact that very little information was revealed, though, after the vehicle had been recovered and the owner identified, is peculiar.
The information I've heard, just to muddy things up a bit more (this from a friend with a VPD buddy...ya, i know, fourth hand info):
The investigation has been completed, and was a month ago, and is now in the hands of the crown prosecutors.
Cloutier was driving.
The vehicle was not owned by Cloutier, one reason why identifying the driver took a while.
There was no apparent evidence of other passengers.
Cloutier may have injured his knee in the accident.
So all of this might be true, or it could be a complete sham, who knows. The last statement is curious; i'm not so sure i believe it myself. It's possible. However, the reason i find it odd is because two days after the accident, Cloutier went on to help thump the Red Wings 4-1. He played three games after that, a 3-1 win over San Jose, a 5-4 loss to LA, and a 3-2 win over Anaheim before suffering the knee sprain in that game, apparently in the first period. He was run over about five times by Anaheim forwards, even socking Rob Niedermayer in the face after one such incident. So it could have happened in that game, and seems more likely than it having occured in a car accident nine days and four games previously. Perhaps it was only slightly injured, and the Anaheim game aggravated it more? Or perhaps the shit was just starting to hit the fan, and the Canucks were looking for just about anything to pull Cloutier out of their line-up? More speculation upon speculation.
What is really really suspicious in this whole mess, though, is the fact that things, anything at all really, has taken so long to come to light. Say Cloutier wasn't involved at all, wasn't his car, he wasn't driving. Then why has it taken so long for charges to be laid against someone else? They have the car, therefore they have the owner. That is an absolute given. If the owner had nothing to do with the accident, ie the car was stolen, then I'm sure that fact would have been revealed by the police. I know I've already said that the cops don't talk unless they want to, but in this case i think they would have, especially if they had no leads on the driver. They would have stated the car had been stolen and they are trying to find out any information about who the thief might be. I've often seen the police issue statements like this, where they make worthwhile use of the media to help find a lead.
So it sounds like the owner either was driving, or knows who was. Perhaps they aren't co-operating. Or perhaps the trick is that the cops know exactly who was driving, but don't have any concrete evidence, only circumstantial. Also unlikely, given the slew of fingerprints that they would have found.
The silence surrounding this case is resounding. I hope it is resolved soon, for the sake of the victims' families. I truly hope it wasn't Cloutier; personally i've always liked his play as a goalie. But if it was, I also truly hope his status as an elite athlete and celebrity doesn't keep him from spending some good quality time in a 6x6 cinderblock room to contemplate his big time fubar.
excuse me there SOMEONE,
I've never once implied, said or even thought that cloutier did this or had anything to do with this, ive supported cloutier since tampa and have been a 'nucks fan since i lived in toronto so a wagon jumper i am not, i do however, understandwith the law and logic behind the fact that all of this is total bs and if any one of the wagon jumpers chose to see beyond rumours and what they'd like to think they too would see this is all bs.
a patient of mine in my Dentist office works at MCL as a tech (mechanic). He confirms that the VPD have visited their dealership on many occassions regarding this situation. He also confirms that the SUV is Cloutiers.
The difference between this case and Healty's is that Healty was found at the scene. Case closed. He didn't have the opportunity to run away and hide.
Once again though, you are innocent till proven guilty.
Not only that, but Heatley accident caused the death of a teammate. Would be kind of hard to keep that hidden.
Very interesting stuff. I did a search on this rumour because my friend told me that his dad's friend is a lawyer on Cloutier's defence team. I didn't buy it for a second, but it made me curious. Now that I've read all these comments I am not sure what to believe. I highly doubt that Cloutier was hammered and avoided a roadblock then fled from a hit and run and presumably hid from the cops while he sobered up only to play an NHL hockey game two nights later. Also, if he didn't own the car what was he doing in it? Test drive?
I have heard this story from a source connected to the rcmp and another connected to ICBC.
Apparently Brad May was a passenger in the vehicle as well, which adds up as May was in town doing rehab at the time of the accident.
Not sure why the media won't touch this story, or why the canucks wont deny it, But that just makes me think there is something to the story...I hope not, but both people that I heard it from are in positions that would give them access to the info. Also, remember how long crown council took to decide on charges against Bertuzzi.....guess we'll wait and see what happens next
This is a tragic event made even more tragic by the most recent news of Dan Cloutier tring to Commit Suicide, this I heard from a very credible source. Yesterday he tried to end it all by jumping in front of a bc transit bus near the original accident site, the driver has been quoted as saying "he could not stop in time and closed his eyes as the bus approached the distraugh man" fortunatly for dan the bus went right through his legs. I hope he is recoving well and no more harm comes to Dan. All but his pride escaped un harmed.
The VPD said no canuck was involved.
If indeed there was a Canuck involved
they now have to come up with the reason as to why they said that there wasn't. Looks bad on the VPD.
More fuel for the BCTV news crew to slag the VPD with.
I too heard the "Cloutiers lawyer story
just yesterday. What kind of a lawyer is that sloppy to release info of such a sensitive nature regarding such a high profile client?
What will really make this story come to an end is when the name of the driver ( whoever ) is released. Let's hear it VPD!!!!!
Only the guilty will be punished!
All I want is the name of the scum that killed those two men.
Goaltender or not justice will be served.
Just a comment regarding the unanswered question of why has the media, police, etc. been so quiet about this for so long: L I B E L is your answer. Without charges being laid officially, any outlet that used his name as the rumoured driver or owner, would be sued for more millions than Cloutier would ever see as a player. Until charges are laid, nobody can legally say anything...period. Having said that, hang the bastard.
Don't think that's the test for libel. One of the defences is truth (regardless of charges being brought). That being said, i would say that libel would be the reason it hasn't been picked it up as this story isn't true. It was a teenage kid who borrowed his mother's car and has now gone back to Asia. Have it on authority from family of one of the victims.
The media and staff at orca bay can't speak because of the unknown facts and sensitive nature of the case. apparently, the vehicle is registered to orca bay, which is why there was some confusion as to who was driving.
Leave him alone~~~ I will believe it when there's a press conference. For those spreading all these rumours, shame on you!!!
OK, so here is another second hand story. My best friend is a senior manager at ICBC. He said its true and the senior brass at ICBC are working out a way to cover this up.
holly shit man
cloutier is soo fukin hot
It is very sad as well as alarming, hearing these "rumours" again today. My 15 year old son whom plays hockey ; is a goalie,told me tonight.
We have explained to him the sever consequences of drinking.. PERIOD.If the rumours are true and I belieive they are.(We saw Cloutier that exact eve. on Granville St.And he was obviosly gooned).What a sad and sorry tale to have to tell your kids, wife friends and so on. What a terrible waste of ALL who where involved and victomized. I feel so sad for the deceased, thier parents families and friends.As well as the Cloutier family.
One of the two guys killed in that accident was the son of a longtime colleague of mine and he was an incredible young man.
Rumour or no rumour, the way in which the investigation of this horrible tragedy has been and continues to be handled is disgusting. The VPD and the Vancouver media should be ashamed of themselves.
http://www.celtic-connection.com/around/around2006_01_11.html
cloutier didnt kill anyone!!!! end of story!!!! why would the canucks organization hide someting like this it would destroy them forever and they would have no one have trust in them again why would they risk that for dan cloutier seriously ppl give ur head a shake i cant believe ppl are still talking bout this. get over it
J.P. and Stan are great guys.
We miss them alot.
I can tell you first hand, I know for sure Dan Cloutier has nothing to worry about, and neither do you, you can all rest assure he is innocent...write it on your forehead so you don't forget and keep eating those BC shrooms so you can sit around and think up some more bullshit to splatter around
dude you guys i seen him yesterday he came down and that shit is bullshit he is injured from hockey.. so there you go
dude you guys i seen him yesterday he came down and that shit is bullshit he is injured from hockey.. so there you go
There is a team working on a documentary, for now titled,
"Anatmony of a Cover-up".
If anyone has anything to offer please e-mail me.
Surprisingly we have found a lot of information not in any news media.
Regardless if you feel Dan was driving or not, there is a cover-up in this crime.
I would be interest in hearing back from
Berta Leblanc
Len Osanic
osanic@prouty.org
The police arrested a suspect last week in the Porche Cayenne Accident of late 2005. Have they revealed who it is yet? Why did the person have a blanket over his head? Why is this such a cover up?
ACtually Cloutier doesn't Own a Porsche Cayenne, we are long time Box holders and very familar with the Canucks Vehicle since we park right by them, we have had many incounters with them, and some are close to my family, very close indeed, ive been a supporter of Dan Cloutier since hes been in Vancouver, he is innocent and he drives A white yukon suv! but nice try guys and why dont yah all grow up
ACtually Cloutier doesn't Own a Porsche Cayenne, we are long time Box holders and very familar with the Canucks Vehicle since we park right by them, we have had many incounters with them, and some are close to my family, very close indeed, ive been a supporter of Dan Cloutier since hes been in Vancouver, he is innocent and he drives A white yukon suv! but nice try guys and why dont yah all grow up
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For all you people who think something "fishy" was going on, have you ever heard of investigating a case...and keeping things under wraps so that it doesnt tamper with a case? all of you are a bunch of idiots wasting your time speculating as to who was invovled in this case. Why do you even care? all you people should be caring about is that two completely innocent lives were taken. - The person ran the road block because he was known to police, he also ran from the scene becasue he was known to the police. not becuase he was a canuck. and why did the VPD not update the media, because they have a way of incriminating innocent people such as Dan Cloutier!!!! wonder why the families have been hush hush?BECAUSE THEY LOST FAMILY MEMBERS AND DONT THINK ITS ANY OF THE PUBLICS F*CKING BUSINESS AS TO HOW THEY ARE GRIEVING.
OMG YOU GUYS seriously get a LIFE. do you think that the media would've wanted to hide something this big? no ofcourse not!! it'd be on the from page of every single newspaper and it'll sell millions and the tabloids would become rich. no media company hides something this big. i feel sorry for Clouts for having to take all the BS. OMG you guys are so idiotic. he got injured last year after being rammed at from an anaheim player. and really guys? do you seriously have nothing better to do than incriminate an innocent hockey player who just underwent knee surgery at the time? its sick.
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Posted by: Darren
January 5, 2006 12:18 AM
That rumour refuses to go away. It broke in the Vancouver Canucks newsgroup on Dec. 29:
http://tinyurl.com/754mt